From: Ben Goertzel (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Sep 12 2002 - 21:13:11 MDT
Without further dissecting GK's post, however, I guess there may still be
something worth saying on the topic.
Eliezer does NOT directly discriminate against people for being religious,
or for holding any other particular belief systems. Everyone should
understand this. Even if someone holds a belief system he dislikes, he
won't ban a person for that.
Rather, so far as I can tell, he directly discriminates against people who
1) clearly seem not to be at the "Shock Level 4" level of acceptance
2) persist in making ungrammatical or unreasoned posts
His idea, as I understand it, is that the list should consist entirely of
carefully-articulated, carefully-reasoned posts by people who are at the
I have more tolerance than him for ungrammatical or unreasoned posts, if the
person making the posts has made a decent percentage of interesting or
entertaining posts as well.
I also think that people who are not quite at the SL4 level of acceptance,
can sometimes still have a lot to contribute to our discussions...
But even though I would personally exercise a significantly higher tolerance
level, I still think the basic idea for the list is a good one. I guess
most of us do or we wouldn't be here.
-- Ben G
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:05 PM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: RE: Re: META: Sept. 11 and Singularity
> Actually I feel like we've beaten the poor dude's message into
> the ground... I'm gonna plunge back into the Maple program I've
> been working on (which computes some statistics about the
> topology of concept-space: quite fun!)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf
> > Of Cliff Stabbert
> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:59 PM
> > To: Ben Goertzel
> > Subject: Re: META: Sept. 11 and Singularity
> > Thursday, September 12, 2002, 9:32:26 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote:
> > >> GK Uploaded wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I spent a good deal of the day yesterday -- 9/11 --
> > >> > mulling over the hope that the Singularity will, among
> > >> > other things, give Humans -- as Trans-Humans? -- the
> > >> > ability to finally achieve Immortality (in a world where
> > >> > we've "licked" Cancer, and Political Upheaval, World Hunger,
> > >> > etc. etc...)
> > >>
> > >> That's it. That's my reply. I'm not going to say any of
> the things I
> > >> want to say. Either you see it for yourself, or you don't.
> > BG> Yes, I see what you were reacting to; and I wish you hadn't
> reacted as
> > BG> strongly as you had.
> > Ben, can you clarify for me (and perhaps others who can't follow) what
> > you see there?
> > --
> > Cliff
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