RE: Encouraging a Positive Transcension

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Wed Feb 11 2004 - 21:30:13 MST


1) I have little faith in any of our current physics theories...

2) even if the universe is finite, I'm pretty sure it's big enough to hold
intelligences incomprehensibly more powerful than our own.... from my point
of view, a very very very big finite number is basically as good as
infinity. My article said nothing about infinity, only about a transcension
into a fundamentally different order of being...

-- Ben G

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []On Behalf Of Tomaz
> Kristan
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> The Beckenstein bound -- if true, I guess it is -- more
> or less finishes two popular assumptions.
> First, that the growth is an eternal state, and the
> only kosher future.
> The second is the imploding civilizations, after they
> reach their Singularity conjecture.
> It more looks like to me, that in fact it is a finite
> world, in which we will have to live a sustainable way
> of life.
> The current most widely accepted paradigm among
> Transhumanists of starting into infinity, is quite
> probably wrong.
> Fortunately, the finite amount of goodies we can
> expect, is probably larger, than we can imagine under
> the popular "infinite possibilities" paradigm.
> And it is a lot of room for Metaqualia's views also.
> Just get there and become a Conservative then! -- it's
> quite likely a single reasonable scenario.
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