RE: The Fundamental Theorem of Morality

From: Marc Geddes (
Date: Mon Mar 01 2004 - 23:10:10 MST

 --- Ben Goertzel <> wrote: >
> Marc,
> I am not sure that there is a University Morality.
> If we take Rafal's statement that morality is all
> about
> "Creating rule systems that will be accepted"
> or more restrictively
> "Creating rule systems that will be accepted by
> communities of freely
> choosing minds"
> then there can be a science about which kinds of
> rule systems will tend to
> be accepted.
> If there are universal principles discovered by this
> science, these might
> constitute "universal morality" ?
> -- Ben G

That's right. By 'Universal Morality' I just mean ,
at least, a morality that can be accepted. I leave
open the question of whether this morality has any
'cosmic' existence or not. I don't say whether this
morality is somehow 'Objective' or written into the
fabric of the universe (although my own personal view
is that it is).

Without a Universal Morality in the minimal sense that
I defined it, no civil society would be possible.

If there were not some rules in common (that a
majority implicitly accepted) then no civil social
interactions could occur. As Rafal said, there has to
be a minimal set of rules 'that are accepted'.

'Rules that are accepted' have to have, at least, the
general characteristics that I stated:

These rules have to be:

*Morally symmetric
*Non-Observer centered
*Normative (most sentients will come to agree on them)

And so we have a minimal definition of 'Universal
Morality' !

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