From: Dimitry Volfson (dvolfson@juno.com)
Date: Mon Aug 22 2005 - 15:20:22 MDT
Doesn't Goedel only show that attempting to say something about the
system, within the system; can lead to paradox? But a thing cannot always
be in meta-relation to itself. Is it really difficult to determine when
this occurs, and to shift to a higher level system?
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Thomas Buckner
<tcbevolver@yahoo.com> writes:
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> --- Phil Goetz <philgoetz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Can Goedelian arguments show ANYTHING
> > about systems that interact with the real
> > world?
>
> Well, informally, perhaps: the Law of Diminishing
> Returns is a folk version of Godel's theorem, for
> practical purposes. Humans avoid halting problems
> in the real world by realizing at some point that
> they will never have perfect information, never
> be able to rake up that last leaf, never be able
> to please everyone, and so on. Which might not be
> as frivolous as it first sounds, as this is how
> intelligent autonomous hominid brains have been
> getting on in the real world for four million
> years. The monkeys that over-analyzed got eaten.
>
> Tom Buckner
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