RE: The Relevance of Complex Systems [was: Re: Retrenchment]

From: Phil Goetz (philgoetz@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Sep 08 2005 - 18:09:48 MDT


--- Ben Goertzel <ben@goertzel.org> wrote:

> > > Indeed I can quite easily state that no causally chaotic system
> is
> > > stable under self-modification, and that all such systems will
> > > rapidly disintigrate or fall into a causally clean attractor
> > > on gaining the ability to self-modify. If you don't accept
> > > that an AGI based on 'Complex Adaptive' low-level mechanisms
> > > will inevitably fall into a 'non-Complex' attractor, then show
> > > us such a system that actually works.
>
> I don't agree with this assertion at all. This doesn't hold for
> other
> complex self-organizing system and I don't see why you think it
> should hold
> for AGI's. Do you have any argument to support this contention?

I think it holds for complex SOSs that aren't either
- very lucky (e.g., cellular automata that happened to have
     interesting rules by chance), or
- designed by people who understand complex systems theory

- Phil

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