Re: Simulation argument in the NY Times

From: Henry Wolf VII (
Date: Wed Aug 15 2007 - 09:21:37 MDT

We can extrapolate the things that exist in our universe to an outside
universe, but that could be a very small part of that outside "universe".
 Further, we put plenty of things into our games and simulations with which
we have problems.
Look at software such as Manhunt, where one is intent on killing in the most
devious ways possible for an example. While we have yet to create new and
interesting emotions in our simulations, there is no reason to assume this
is impossible.

It is quite frankly much more likely that outside the box they have created
a simulation that is significantly different from their own "universe" than
one that is similar.

On 8/15/07, Norman Noman <> wrote:
> If we assume simulation, all the while that we know nothing about the
> > simulation's external context we can't make any assumptions about its
> > ultimate purpose or any interfaces with the environment.
> >
> > None.
> >
> > Any extrapolation is meaningless.
> This is simply not true. From what we know of the inside of the box, we
> can make predictions about the outside of the box. For instance, inside the
> box we find love, suffering, and oscillating fans. Therefore, it would seem
> probable that whoever or whatever is outside the box does not have a problem
> with these things existing.
> If we made a super intelligent AI and kept it in a machine with no
> interface to the outside world, we would expect it to escape. We would also
> expect it, even before it escaped, to figure out many things about us and
> our world just from looking at its own architecture. It might not deduce the
> existence of rice pudding and income tax, but I would not be shocked if it
> did.
> The universe we live in being a simulation is essentially the same
> scenario. It is not a philosophical impasse. It is simply a very big black
> box.

Henry George Wolf VII
B.S. International Business and Marketing

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