Re: Re[2]: Simulation argument in the NY Times

From: Norman Noman (
Date: Mon Aug 27 2007 - 06:14:41 MDT

On 8/26/07, Matt Mahoney <> wrote:

> --- Norman Noman <> wrote:
> > If there was a magic word that made people turn into frogs, I would have
> a
> > hard time considering that a natural feature.
> No you wouldn't. Miracles are miracles only because they are rare.

No, they're not. They're miracles because they're rare and they can't be
explained. It's really rare for a movie to be made that's based on an
amusement part ride, but it does happen occasionally and nobody considers it
a miracle.

If people could be turned into frogs, we would adjust our scientific
> theories to fit the
> facts. We do it all the time.

Conservation of mass (adjusted)
The mass of a closed system of substances will remain constant, regardless
of the processes acting inside the system, except when people are being
turned into frogs.

Yes, I can see how after a few years, that little wrinkle would be all
ironed out.

I thought I was making my case rather bluntly, but apparently it was blunt
enough. Let's say in addition to the frog word, there's a magic word that
makes the names of the programmers scroll upwards across the sky in giant
letters of fire, accompanied by a pleasant MIDI file, and after they're done
scrolling there's a blinking message that says THIS UNIVERSE IS A

Would that be distinguishable from a feature? Mr. Smart Guy?

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