From: Stefan Pernar (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sat Nov 10 2007 - 16:17:31 MST
I think one deceives oneself on many levels when it comes to who one is.
Rationalizations, biases, misconceptions on both sides in regards to how one
is perceived to be vs how one wants to be perceived vs how one wants to
present oneself and how one actually does. An answer could be given in the
form of temporarily stripping me from all human filtering and show me the
real me - hiding, pretending and misunderstanding nothing about me.
On Nov 11, 2007 2:46 AM, M T <email@example.com> wrote:
> With the acknowledgment of the illusion, there isn't an independent "real"
> self, as you need the whole system to produce the "self".
> The perception of ones own self is part of the self. If you locate the
> structures or systems in the brain that produce this self perception and
> shut them down (if at all possible), you wouldn't get a more "real" self.
> Just a different self.
> Also, other humans will always have a snippet of data regarding your
> "self". And then again mostly (well... totally) assumptions. Nothing to do
> with what you actually have in your brain, except if you factor in your own
> perception of what other humans perceive as you, which is again a sub-system
> of your brain.
> If you don't acknowledge the illusion, the question turns bad and will
> yield a bad answer as Jef says in his other post.
> - Michael
> On 11/10/07, Stefan Pernar <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > Here is my question:
> > What is the real me independent from how I perceive myself and how I
> > being perceived by other humans?
> Good question, highlighting the meta-question of what could it
> possibly mean to be more 'real' than that. [Acknowledging the
> naturally expected illusion of an intrinsic self functioning as the
> effective locus of intentionality.]
> - Jef
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