Re: How to make a slave

From: John K Clark (
Date: Fri Nov 23 2007 - 11:39:08 MST

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 "Harry Chesley" <>

> Goals will necessarily come from one of two places:
> pre-programmed or random.

Or goals evolved from ancestral goals in ways that are deterministic but
imposable to predict. As I said before I can write a very very short
program that will do things nobody can predict, that is why I get
impatient when somebody says we can just tell a Jupiter Brain “always be
a slave to human beings” and we can be certain he will be exactly that
slave from now to the end of time.

> So, are you arguing that it's impossible to eliminate
> the presence of random top-level goals? Or that it's
> impossible to predict the actual result of pre-programmed
> top-level goals? Or that new non-random top-level goals
> will get introduced from thin air?

My top-level goal will not allow me to respond to the above because it
exceeds your quota of rhetorical questions. Please rephrase and

> BTW, the condescending tone of many of your posts
> does not further your arguments.

That could be but it can’t be helped. The truth is I have no talent for
pretending an idea is clever when in fact I don’t believe it is.

  John K Clark

  John K Clark
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