Re: Bekenstein bound (Re: A model of consciousness)

From: Jeff L Jones (
Date: Fri Mar 21 2008 - 15:47:18 MDT

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Jeff L Jones <> wrote:
> You *cannot* derive it from those, as it depends on completely
> different physical constants from those (such as the fine structure
> constant, lots of electroweak parameters, the QCD scale, etc.). If
> you are putting in those numbers and getting something close to the
> proton mass, then it is purely coincidence... you haven't done
> anything meaningful, you've just put a bunch of random numbers
> together. It seems to me that no matter what you got when you divided
> V by S, you would have claimed it was an interesting coincidence. I
> mean, if you had gotten the size of an atom, you would say "oh wow, 1
> bit per atom"... if you had gotten the size of the solar system, you
> would have said "wow, 1 bit per solar system!" But bits per volume
> means nothing. There is nothing significant about that quotient
> coming out near the proton mass. There are plenty of other masses of
> particles that it could have come out near.
> Jeff

Also, how did you start talking about the proton mass? I thought you
said it comes out near the proton *volume*. These are two different
unrelated things. But regardless of which it comes out nearby (if
either), it's not going to tell you anything interesting.


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