Re: Bounded population (was Re: Bounded utility)

From: Rolf Nelson (
Date: Fri Apr 11 2008 - 19:00:58 MDT

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Tim Freeman <> wrote:
> That sort of altruism is exploitable even without considering absurdly
> improbable hells. All I need to do to exploit you is breed or
> construct or train a bunch of humans who want exactly what I want.

In Causal Decision Theory, this is true. However, it's possible to
adopt a different decision theory that is specifically designed to be
less exploitable, without having to give up the things that you care

> You need to fix the set of people you care about, rather than allow it
> to be manipulated by an adversary. You can't affort to give others
> the power to produce entities that you care about.

1. Please give your alternative suggestion for a morality that you
would actually endorse, and which is completely unexploitable.

2. Is your overall goal to make the world a better place, or have you
elevated 'be unexploitable' to a supergoal rather than a means to an

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