From: Alexei Turchin (alexeiturchin@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Dec 13 2008 - 16:13:46 MST
And remeber that Jupter is not empty. If we speak about detonation of
diterium it could happned under zero pressure, as 1979 article said.
But pressure is important for detonation of He4 in reaction 3 He4 =
C12. It is another possibility of explosion of giant planet.
The fact is that the reaction 3 He4 = C12 is decribed by equation
E = p**2 X***3 T**30
So, it depends of 30 power of temperature and only 2 power of
pressure. It means that only temperature is important for this
reaction, and not pressure, because if you increse temperature 4 times
it would cover differense in density of 1 billion times.
And of course it is not intial temperature of helium which is
important - but temperature of the fuse.
So, initial temperature and density is not so important for the fact
if helium detonation is possible or not.
But I am not sure that helium detonation is possible at all, just want
to tell, that it is not so simple quastion, and you should not use
words like "bullshit".
On 12/14/08, Alexei Turchin <alexeiturchin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear John!
>
> Don''t believe in your knowleges! Use google!
> US goverment think that Pu-238 may have critical mass:
>
> "Updated Critical Mass Estimates for Plutonium-238"
> http://sti.srs.gov/fulltext/ms9900313/ms9900313.html
>
>
> The fact that the gase in Jupiter is degenerated is not important for
> the rest of my discussion, because 1979 article already stated minimum
> levels of concentration of deiterium need for reaction.
>
>
> On 12/13/08, John K Clark <johnkclark@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > Alexei Turchin <alexeiturchin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Plutonium 238 which under some assumptions
> > > could lead to a chain reaction and a nuclear explosion.
> >
> > What assumptions? Plutonium 238 doesn't even produce neutrons, it
> > produced Alpha Particles (Helium), how on earth (or Saturn) are you
> > going to make a chain reaction from Alpha Particles?! Plutonium 239 can
> > make a bomb but not 238, and nobody puts Plutonium 239 in space probes.
> > And if all you needed to do to get a fusion reaction going is get a
> > bunch of Deuterium together we would have had practical fusion reactors
> > a long time ago.
> >
> > And you say that in the center of a gas giant planet matter is in a
> > degenerate state just like it is in a White Dwarf star; and that is also
> > Bullshit. Compared to a White Dwarf the center of Jupiter is a pretty
> > good vacuum and it's cold as hell too.
> >
> > You're right that people think the idea is ridiculous, and there is a
> > reason for that.
> >
> > John K Clark
> >
> > --
> > John K Clark
> > johnkclark@fastmail.fm
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service?
> >
> >
>
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