Re: [sl4] Uploads, slavery, concerts and fair trade.

From: Vladimir Nesov (
Date: Wed Feb 04 2009 - 12:18:16 MST

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, John K Clark <> wrote:
>>Why would it not be able to conceive such a thought
> Because according to you all this thing knows about and all it cares
> about is making paper clips. I won't get into an argument over whether
> it's a brain or not but it's certainly not a mind. We can make a machine
> right now that can make paper clips better than any human being, but
> that doesn't mean we've solver the AI problem. The defining
> characteristic of a mind is being able to do lots of different things.

Do I understand correctly that one corollary from your position is
that it's impossible to write a program that, starting from being run
on a single PC, proceeds to take over the universe and make paperclips
from it, nothing else (maybe terminating in the end)? Maybe you won't
call it AI, but taking over the universe is no easy thing to do, so
I'd call it intelligence, even thought its values are absurdly alien.

Vladimir Nesov

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