Re: [sl4] Weakening morality

From: Stefan Pernar (
Date: Tue Feb 10 2009 - 06:55:18 MST

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Stuart Armstrong <> wrote:

> > Weak morals weaken and strong morals strengthen societies.
> Nonsense. The greatest acheivements of modern humanity have been built
> largely on greed - something all moral systems universally condemned
> until recently. Some strong morals do help societies cope - but the
> strongly moral societies have a tendency to collapse in disarray when
> confronted with more adaptible enemies.

Would yo mind giving me a specific example or two so I understand where you
are coming from?

> >> Weak morals weaken and strong morals strengthen societies.
> >
> > If you mean that moral strength is measured by rate of population growth,
> then I agree.
> No, he doesn't mean that - unless there is some strange bible code in
> his statement, or is using an alternative pseudo english where
> "morals" actually means "population growth".

I mean in terms of societal fitness in the evolutionary sense actually.

The opinion of people half way across the world
> is only slightly relevant to my morals here and now; the opinion of
> people not yet born, or already dead, is even less relevant.

Morals should not be based on another person's opinion anyway I suppose. Or
do you mean other people in general (the further removed you are from them
in time and space) are not of your concern?

Stefan Pernar
Skype: Stefan.Pernar

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