Re: [sl4] Complete drivel on this list: was: I am a Singularitian who does not believe in the Singularity.

From: Mikael Hall (mikael.hall@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 13 2009 - 04:49:05 MDT


So by the same token, Robin, I guess mathematicians are "stupid" for talking
bout trancendental numbers like pi?
mvh

mikael

2009/10/13 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:37:53AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:32:10AM -0700, John K Clark wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Oct 20 "J. Andrew Rogers" <andrew@ceruleansystems.com>
> > > said:
> > >
> > > > The undecidability of the Halting Problem is predicated on
> > > > infinite memory.
> > >
> > > Yes, so if you have limitations even with infinite memory you sure
> > > as hell are going to have limitations with a real computer with
> > > finite memory.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > You don't actually know anything about formalized computation, do
> > you?
> >
> > The halting problem occurs *BECAUSE THE MEMORY IS INFINITE*.
> >
> > Jesus. You're not even trying to listen, are you?
>
> To expand on this:
> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1052796.1052798
>
> The halting problem *is*, in fact, decidable for finite computers,
> says that paper.
>
> The ACM is not in the habit of publishing things that haven't been
> *very* thoroughly reviewed.
>
> I don't have an ACM account these days, so I'll have to leave it to
> others to personally review it should they wish.
>
> Anyways.
>
> John: the problem you're talking about simply doesn't exist in real
> computers. Sorry.
>
> -Robin
>
> --
> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>

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