Re: There's more to me than memories...

From: Heartland (
Date: Sun Mar 16 2008 - 16:51:22 MDT

>> Let's focus on this because this is where you are assuming what
>> I'm asking you to explain. Why is it important to be *like*
>> something? As before, concept of "survival" cannot be used
>> in the explanation.

> I haven't answered your last question. I sort of have to throw up
> my hands. I cannot explain why you don't want to be like certain
> deformed people who have two heads, and I can't explain why
> you don't want to be "like" a rodent. We have to start somewhere,
> Slawek.

Are you saying that preserving "likeness" is important because creatures that are
not like you experience lower quality of life?

>>>> There *are* other things I can be attached to, you know.
>>> Like what?

*This* instance of mind process responsible for perception and making sense of the
world around me.

>> Yeah, so what does that tell you about importance of runtime vs. memories? You
>> could have had all your memories intact forever and yet you didn't choose this
>> option. Interesting.
> As heaven is my witness, I have never in the last 40 years dismissed
> what today I call runtime or processing! As you say, the memories
> without any possibility whatsoever in all the future history of the universe
> getting runtime are totally worthless to me. I have said that again and
> again, I'm pretty sure.

Good, so can I infer from this that having runtime is also at least as important to
you as maintaining the same memories?

> Oh, you are referring to Reagan's amnesia. People close to him said
> that he had died bit by bit in the preceding months or years. Which
> makes perfect sense, given what we know. What was being celebrated
> was his whole life and his whole record, as you know. His deanimation was
> just a convenient and very traditional point at which to "celebrate" his passing.

If on June 4th 2004 you asked anyone in the world whether Reagan was still alive,
almost everyone would reply "yes." I'm not trying to argue that your definition of
death is wrong because of this. I'm only trying to point out that your definition
of death (where death=amnesia) is quite exotic to most people. I doubt Reagan's
friends and family thought he was actually dead on June 4th 2004. I bet they
thought he was very
sick, and couldn't remember much, but not dead.


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